Thanks Perchn for the reply,Thats all I was looking for, some general help. And thanks Catchin1 for pointing out why PM's are so important. I did not ask you for your spot. Nor did I ask for perchn's spot. I may have limited time but I rarely limit my Effort. I just have trouble figuring out this body of water fishing it 1-2 days a year, maybe someday I'll get good at this sport. Why don't you tell me "your spot" so can be sure to avoid it completely.