red, always trust your guide or resort owner, they know what their doing,thats why their in business. NO pun intended !!! you'll get em next year,on those way points. next year they will be even bigger. were going to chautauqua the next couple of weekends and were going to try what caption larry is doing,hopefully we can cacth a few there,but we'll still try our own style also,just hard to get away from casting......those were really great pics of jakes fish,i like the ones in the water , really shows how nice it really is.