I dont know about that however at least you didnt run it over with your truck. I thought I lost a 7'St Croix and the 12" pike and 6500c reel casted the pike which is really heavy and got a rare backlash as i was switching hands the pole went in the lake but thank god St Croix float it was freakin hilarious. He really did me well though i offered to try to fix one of them if he would tell me how (i thought I could prob fix it) and he replaced the bad ones ,THey looked 100x better than the ones I got @ rollie and helens way brighter colors looked new . Anyway thanx again I appreciate the help . By the way the replacements lasted all summer.