Thanx for the input i checked out the mantas and loved the video @ http://video.google.com/videosearch?...l=en&emb=0&aq= looks like a great lure. Went to rollie and helens and they dont stock them so im on the hunt , i also bought a couple dunwright lifelike perch and they look cool Gonna try em tomarow adios
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