I fished from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. off Kipling today in eight to thirteen feet. Lots of walking through slush and very slick, wet ice. We did not have the ATV. We landed some big perch, but very few. I use an attractor to start with at any spot we set up. In this case it was a #3 Mepps spoon, red/gold. This is a large spoon suitable for pike or salmon. I am just trying to pull fish in closer by jigging it aggressively for a minute or so (it works for attracting panfish as well as gamefish). Anyway, I had two perch hit this spoon! You would probably never use a live minnow anywhere close to the size of this spoon. I also had four pike hit the perch rigs, but they did not touch the attractor. I know they were pike because I could easily see them. One was easily thirty inches or more, but they cut off the two and four pound test we used for perch.