OK, so he is talking net size! I seem to recall some pretty good fishing on Kinzua in the 80's and early 90's. Caught my best northern back then on a tiny rooster tail using 4 lbs test fishing the flooded creeks in Sugar Bay. I did not do much musky fishing at the time but we caught more than a few while fishing for bass and walleye. I wonder what it would have been like to actually have been targetting them. Got to laugh at the oar up side the head approach to landing one!