I was in the shop on monday with my famliy and ranger rick helped me with musky bates man did thay work good thank you. and ranger rick helped my daughter with crappy and gill jigs wow we had fun. I have fished the chain from 1980 on weekend and didnt know I was throwing to big of bates ranger rick was very helpfull thank you and will be back up in a couple weeks work is getting in the way of fishing agine as it always dose.